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		<title>Comment on Job Success for Women: Does it really have to look like this?! by Kathrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 04:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No person can, at any time, ever have it all.  That&#039;s not the way life is.  I suspect that the way guilt functions for women is a complex mix of nurture and nature, and trying to determine one or the other is a fruitless exercise. A wise woman told me recently that I needed to determine whether my guilt was false guilt or moral guilt, and to work at discarding or regarding it based on my decision. 

We women need to work at changing the way we view moms who have both outside careers and family, AND also changing the way we view women who choose to stay home with their family.  The book &quot;the Mommy Wars&quot; takes the position that there is a feminist conflict between the &quot;career&quot; mom and the &quot;traditional&quot; mom, but really we just need to support each other with the understanding that women today, whether in the workforce or at home, wear many hats at once, and they are all valid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No person can, at any time, ever have it all.  That&#8217;s not the way life is.  I suspect that the way guilt functions for women is a complex mix of nurture and nature, and trying to determine one or the other is a fruitless exercise. A wise woman told me recently that I needed to determine whether my guilt was false guilt or moral guilt, and to work at discarding or regarding it based on my decision. </p>
<p>We women need to work at changing the way we view moms who have both outside careers and family, AND also changing the way we view women who choose to stay home with their family.  The book &#8220;the Mommy Wars&#8221; takes the position that there is a feminist conflict between the &#8220;career&#8221; mom and the &#8220;traditional&#8221; mom, but really we just need to support each other with the understanding that women today, whether in the workforce or at home, wear many hats at once, and they are all valid.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Mennonite, Not Amish: 7 Common Questions by Cathy Naude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Naude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 07:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have long known of the existence of the Amish but only recently heard of the Mennonites. In looking for information I found your blog and learned some very interesting facts. I also had a good laugh at some of the questions and your witty answers. I find it difficult to place myself in any one spiritual belief and find myself with an infinity for any religion /belief that respects mother earth and all her inhabitants. Hurt no one and I&#039;m happy to listen and learn. Try to hurt or repress and I&#039;ll fight for the right for all to have and practice their beliefs. I am also always looking for more information to better understand the different faiths around me. I will be following your blog with a lot of interest, I may not share your faith but I sure share your sense of humour!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have long known of the existence of the Amish but only recently heard of the Mennonites. In looking for information I found your blog and learned some very interesting facts. I also had a good laugh at some of the questions and your witty answers. I find it difficult to place myself in any one spiritual belief and find myself with an infinity for any religion /belief that respects mother earth and all her inhabitants. Hurt no one and I&#8217;m happy to listen and learn. Try to hurt or repress and I&#8217;ll fight for the right for all to have and practice their beliefs. I am also always looking for more information to better understand the different faiths around me. I will be following your blog with a lot of interest, I may not share your faith but I sure share your sense of humour!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Job Success for Women: Does it really have to look like this?! by Pattyb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pattyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 13:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most mothers function in several spheres: as attractive and attentive spouses, as competent career women, and as nurturing, devoted mothers. All this is to be done while she provides nutritious meals, a neat and clean home environment, clean and neatly pressed clothing for the family, a neat and clean car, a beautiful lawn, and weedless organic vegetable garden. These are the standards by which women are judged--rightly or wrongly--by American society. Of course, this is a completely unattainable standard. It is impossible for one human being to be successful in all of these areas. In order to even come close to accomplishing all of this, it is essential to have help from outside the home. This can be from parents, siblings, and/or from hired strangers. Even with outside help, my own experience has been that I am able to feel competent in two of the three spheres of activity at one time, but not in all three at one time. For instance, if my housekeeping and mothering responsibilities were being successfully met, and my career responsibilities were being successfully met, my relationship with my spouse was usually suffering. If that relationship was doing well, usually my career or my mothering/household responsibilities were suffering. Thoughout my working career, I experienced guilt in one of these three areas at all times. I could manage two of the three areas, but not all three at one time. And there were times when I had outside help, but still felt inadequate in one of the three areas. Rotating the three areas of guilt was my way of &quot;balancing.&quot; I don&#039;t offer this as an adequate answer to the problem, but rather as a statement of my own experience. Does society place unrealistic expectations on mothers? Yes. Do we as mothers buy into them? Yes. I don&#039;t know if those women who are single or who are not  mothers struggle in this way or not, but it has been my own experience and the experience of most mothers I know that this is quite a struggle. Even with supportive spouses, supportive family members, and outside hired help. As a first wave feminist, I  struggled with this &quot;balance&quot; for some 35 years. A first step in this struggle is for women to be less judgmental toward other women. Secondly, spend more time on relationships with spouse and children--these are the ones that last a lifetime. Believe me, your career path and career objectives change over time. And third, (this is the hard one) don&#039;t let the judgments of others affect you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most mothers function in several spheres: as attractive and attentive spouses, as competent career women, and as nurturing, devoted mothers. All this is to be done while she provides nutritious meals, a neat and clean home environment, clean and neatly pressed clothing for the family, a neat and clean car, a beautiful lawn, and weedless organic vegetable garden. These are the standards by which women are judged&#8211;rightly or wrongly&#8211;by American society. Of course, this is a completely unattainable standard. It is impossible for one human being to be successful in all of these areas. In order to even come close to accomplishing all of this, it is essential to have help from outside the home. This can be from parents, siblings, and/or from hired strangers. Even with outside help, my own experience has been that I am able to feel competent in two of the three spheres of activity at one time, but not in all three at one time. For instance, if my housekeeping and mothering responsibilities were being successfully met, and my career responsibilities were being successfully met, my relationship with my spouse was usually suffering. If that relationship was doing well, usually my career or my mothering/household responsibilities were suffering. Thoughout my working career, I experienced guilt in one of these three areas at all times. I could manage two of the three areas, but not all three at one time. And there were times when I had outside help, but still felt inadequate in one of the three areas. Rotating the three areas of guilt was my way of &#8220;balancing.&#8221; I don&#8217;t offer this as an adequate answer to the problem, but rather as a statement of my own experience. Does society place unrealistic expectations on mothers? Yes. Do we as mothers buy into them? Yes. I don&#8217;t know if those women who are single or who are not  mothers struggle in this way or not, but it has been my own experience and the experience of most mothers I know that this is quite a struggle. Even with supportive spouses, supportive family members, and outside hired help. As a first wave feminist, I  struggled with this &#8220;balance&#8221; for some 35 years. A first step in this struggle is for women to be less judgmental toward other women. Secondly, spend more time on relationships with spouse and children&#8211;these are the ones that last a lifetime. Believe me, your career path and career objectives change over time. And third, (this is the hard one) don&#8217;t let the judgments of others affect you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Martyr Complexes, Memoir and Misunderstanding: My Reading of Mennonite in a Little Black Dress by Adeline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adeline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 20:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoyed the book.  It was humorous, but it is clear to me that the author loves her family and appreciates her &quot;roots&quot;.

My mother in law was offended because she felt the author was making fun of Mennonites and her family.  My take was that she had been exposed to another life outside the Mennonite community and was able to look at things differently----seeing the humorous quirks of people and at the same time experiencing the warmth of coming back into the fold so to speak.

Going by comments above, I think I should re-read The novel A Complicated Kindness.      

This posting got a lot more responses, which I find interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the book.  It was humorous, but it is clear to me that the author loves her family and appreciates her &#8220;roots&#8221;.</p>
<p>My mother in law was offended because she felt the author was making fun of Mennonites and her family.  My take was that she had been exposed to another life outside the Mennonite community and was able to look at things differently&#8212;-seeing the humorous quirks of people and at the same time experiencing the warmth of coming back into the fold so to speak.</p>
<p>Going by comments above, I think I should re-read The novel A Complicated Kindness.      </p>
<p>This posting got a lot more responses, which I find interesting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Job Success for Women: Does it really have to look like this?! by Adeline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adeline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 19:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think men get to have it all either...most people don&#039;t.  

I think the advice about enjoying your time with your family and your time at work is sound.  I don&#039;t know why we as women feel so much more guilt; it does not seem to be as much of a problem for most men.  I assume it is socialization.

 However, I am sure some men struggle with guilt for not spending time with their children, though it often seems to be later in life when they are looking back and assessing their lives.   

I am grateful that I was blessed to be a parent of two wonderful daughters and  also to have a fulfilling career.   I am very thankful for a supportive spouse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think men get to have it all either&#8230;most people don&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>I think the advice about enjoying your time with your family and your time at work is sound.  I don&#8217;t know why we as women feel so much more guilt; it does not seem to be as much of a problem for most men.  I assume it is socialization.</p>
<p> However, I am sure some men struggle with guilt for not spending time with their children, though it often seems to be later in life when they are looking back and assessing their lives.   </p>
<p>I am grateful that I was blessed to be a parent of two wonderful daughters and  also to have a fulfilling career.   I am very thankful for a supportive spouse.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Little Logo Love by Shirley Hershey Showalter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirley Hershey Showalter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 12:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love this logo, Hannah! I offer you two poems. &quot;Birches&quot; by Robert Frost (which needs a girl protagonist update) and &quot;Animal Spirits&quot; by Denise Levertov. Also, my daughter Kate. When asked at age five how high she wanted to go, she replied, &quot;As high as the wind.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this logo, Hannah! I offer you two poems. &#8220;Birches&#8221; by Robert Frost (which needs a girl protagonist update) and &#8220;Animal Spirits&#8221; by Denise Levertov. Also, my daughter Kate. When asked at age five how high she wanted to go, she replied, &#8220;As high as the wind.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review: Thrill of the Chaste by Shirley Hershey Showalter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirley Hershey Showalter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 11:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating. I&#039;ve admired Valerie&#039;s writing for years. I have the book on my shelf. Thanks for giving me a great overview of what to expect. Enjoyed the comments here also.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating. I&#8217;ve admired Valerie&#8217;s writing for years. I have the book on my shelf. Thanks for giving me a great overview of what to expect. Enjoyed the comments here also.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Martyr Complexes, Memoir and Misunderstanding: My Reading of Mennonite in a Little Black Dress by Shirley Hershey Showalter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirley Hershey Showalter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 11:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since I see this book with double vision, I resonate with both your gutsy post and the defenses of the book in the comments. I love that you had the courage to say you HATED the book and then remained open to new perspectives. I don&#039;t call that passive/aggressive. I call it being a passionate peacemaker. :-) To paraphrase Robert Frost, peace begins with honesty and ends in wisdom.

I did a second review of this book (different from the one reblogged in the Femonite) which had much less traffic but is relevant to many points above about humor:http://womensmemoirs.com/memoir-book-reviews/memoir-book-review-rhoda-janzens-mennonite-in-a-little-black-dress-reviewed-by-shirley-h-showalter/.

One thing to observe about the book that I haven&#039;t seen elsewhere. Mennonites are not the only readers who are bi-polar when it comes to this book! Amazon features (an enviable) 305 reviews. But there are 58 one-star reviews (some, but surely not all, are from Mennonites). Many non-Mennonite readers hated the book too. But they are joined by a slightly larger group (78) who LOVED it. The result? For a bestseller, the book has a low rating of three stars. The love-hate controversy was actually good for sales and good for conversations like this one.

Janzen&#039;s second book, Does This Church Make Me Look Fat, has a higher approval rating (4 stars) but lower sales. It has 51 reviews, most of them 5-star, and 0 1-star! I suspected this would be the case when I read the book. I have enjoyed watching this talented writer change, grow, and move toward wisdom. I suspect she will continue to do so and applaud her as a path-breaker.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I see this book with double vision, I resonate with both your gutsy post and the defenses of the book in the comments. I love that you had the courage to say you HATED the book and then remained open to new perspectives. I don&#8217;t call that passive/aggressive. I call it being a passionate peacemaker. <img src='http://www.femonite.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  To paraphrase Robert Frost, peace begins with honesty and ends in wisdom.</p>
<p>I did a second review of this book (different from the one reblogged in the Femonite) which had much less traffic but is relevant to many points above about humor:<a href="http://womensmemoirs.com/memoir-book-reviews/memoir-book-review-rhoda-janzens-mennonite-in-a-little-black-dress-reviewed-by-shirley-h-showalter/" rel="nofollow">http://womensmemoirs.com/memoir-book-reviews/memoir-book-review-rhoda-janzens-mennonite-in-a-little-black-dress-reviewed-by-shirley-h-showalter/</a>.</p>
<p>One thing to observe about the book that I haven&#8217;t seen elsewhere. Mennonites are not the only readers who are bi-polar when it comes to this book! Amazon features (an enviable) 305 reviews. But there are 58 one-star reviews (some, but surely not all, are from Mennonites). Many non-Mennonite readers hated the book too. But they are joined by a slightly larger group (78) who LOVED it. The result? For a bestseller, the book has a low rating of three stars. The love-hate controversy was actually good for sales and good for conversations like this one.</p>
<p>Janzen&#8217;s second book, Does This Church Make Me Look Fat, has a higher approval rating (4 stars) but lower sales. It has 51 reviews, most of them 5-star, and 0 1-star! I suspected this would be the case when I read the book. I have enjoyed watching this talented writer change, grow, and move toward wisdom. I suspect she will continue to do so and applaud her as a path-breaker.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Laughing at the Images: Reflections on Mennonite in a Little Black Dress by Shirley Hershey Showalter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirley Hershey Showalter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 11:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Melodie, I really enjoyed reading this summary of the research and queries experienced at Third Way Cafe. We are seeing interest in our faith from so many sides -- as a radical supplement or alternative to both protestant and Catholic, mainline and evangelical, traditions --started long ago by Tom Sine and now made more visible by Shane Claiborne. At the same time, the high culture is paying attention to Amish quilts, the middle and low brow culture is watching Amish reality TV shows, Amish fiction sells like hotcakes, (or fatcakes, as doughnuts are called in the Mennonite Community Cookbook :-)) , primarily to evangelical women, as I understand it.

I hope we can seize this moment to engage with the culture about the things that matter most to us -- following Jesus and his message of love and peace. How do we socialize children into kindness? How do we reconcile seeming opposites? How do we equip people to enter war zones and help in trauma recovery?

Can our cookbooks do this? Actually, how many cookbooks do you know that feature a whole group of women dedicating their lives not just to cooking but to each other and to their readers and giving all their royalties to charity? Those Mennonite Girls impress me!

But there is more, much more treasure, where our Mennonite heart is. Thanks for stimulating my thinking. I hope to write an article on Mennonites and Memoir in the next month. I&#039;ll be paying attention to this conversation and others both on the Femonite (thanks, Hannah!) and at Third Way Cafe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melodie, I really enjoyed reading this summary of the research and queries experienced at Third Way Cafe. We are seeing interest in our faith from so many sides &#8212; as a radical supplement or alternative to both protestant and Catholic, mainline and evangelical, traditions &#8211;started long ago by Tom Sine and now made more visible by Shane Claiborne. At the same time, the high culture is paying attention to Amish quilts, the middle and low brow culture is watching Amish reality TV shows, Amish fiction sells like hotcakes, (or fatcakes, as doughnuts are called in the Mennonite Community Cookbook <img src='http://www.femonite.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) , primarily to evangelical women, as I understand it.</p>
<p>I hope we can seize this moment to engage with the culture about the things that matter most to us &#8212; following Jesus and his message of love and peace. How do we socialize children into kindness? How do we reconcile seeming opposites? How do we equip people to enter war zones and help in trauma recovery?</p>
<p>Can our cookbooks do this? Actually, how many cookbooks do you know that feature a whole group of women dedicating their lives not just to cooking but to each other and to their readers and giving all their royalties to charity? Those Mennonite Girls impress me!</p>
<p>But there is more, much more treasure, where our Mennonite heart is. Thanks for stimulating my thinking. I hope to write an article on Mennonites and Memoir in the next month. I&#8217;ll be paying attention to this conversation and others both on the Femonite (thanks, Hannah!) and at Third Way Cafe.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wherefore art thou, female superheroes? by Hannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 14:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ruth! I&#039;m so glad to see your name on here and to read your excellent thoughts (and, thanks for the laughs - love that Hawkeye Initiative!). You&#039;ve made an important point that it is not just one sexist institution that we&#039;re dealing with, but a collusion of multiple systems, which always makes things harder to sort out and change. I think that the stereotypes that we&#039;ve mentioned - about films not making money, comic books not selling, etc. -- provide a convenient excuse for businesses not to have to change what they are doing. And, as we mentioned earlier, the financial pressure is still not really there. People, myself included, are still voting with their dollars and pretty much giving a resounding affirmation to the current crop of films, so there&#039;s not really an impetus to change...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruth! I&#8217;m so glad to see your name on here and to read your excellent thoughts (and, thanks for the laughs &#8211; love that Hawkeye Initiative!). You&#8217;ve made an important point that it is not just one sexist institution that we&#8217;re dealing with, but a collusion of multiple systems, which always makes things harder to sort out and change. I think that the stereotypes that we&#8217;ve mentioned &#8211; about films not making money, comic books not selling, etc. &#8212; provide a convenient excuse for businesses not to have to change what they are doing. And, as we mentioned earlier, the financial pressure is still not really there. People, myself included, are still voting with their dollars and pretty much giving a resounding affirmation to the current crop of films, so there&#8217;s not really an impetus to change&#8230;</p>
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